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(#tuizh4q) @prologic@twtxt.net

philosophical reasons […] design decision

That I can understand (though to the extent that I understand it, I think I disagree with it 😄). I was asking more about the technical barriers @mutefall@twtxt.net mentioned.

responses are provided from the cache

I see, so we’re taking about an architectural limitation in Yarn, rather than twtxt. Still, I know cache invalidation is famously hard, but surely an intentional page load from a user trying to view a feed that isn’t (fully) cached is about the best signal you could get to fetch that data from the origin? 🤔

(#tuizh4q) @prologic@twtxt.net

How do you display this in any reasonable way?

Pagination? Like Yarn uses elsewhere. Or infinite scroll, but from the server side that’s still pagination.

Which is what? To view the entire contents one someone’s feed? 😅

Exactly. Every other social network has that feature; I’ve missed it here serveral times already and it looks like I’m not the only one.

I still don’t get the difficulty from a technical point of view I’m afraid. 🤔

@prologic@twtxt.net so far as I can see both your and my most recent replies to #x6zqkha just disappeared - a bug?

(#x6zqkha) @prologic@twtxt.net Hmm but if you’re self-hosting the bridges (the only option I think since they generally have to run on the same machine as the Matrix server) that man in the middle is yourself 😉

Of course you do have to trust the code, but it’s all open source.

(#tuizh4q) @mutefall@twtxt.net @prologic@twtxt.net I don’t understand this answer at all from a technical perspective (leaving any philosophical arguments aside). A twtxt file is literally a flat file containing a list of all of a person’s posts. Surely simply displaying all of that person’s posts in Yarn should be the easiest possible thing to do, way easier than threading etc. Why would it require “investing heavily in infrastructure” or for the protocol to be “redesigned from the ground up”?

I’m guessing I’ve misunderstood what you’re saying; can you help me understand?

(#x6zqkha) @prologic@twtxt.net but if you used those external services directly without bridging, you’d still have to trust all those things, right? Take, say, FB Messenger. Whether I ‘bridge’ it to Matrix or use Messenger directly, I have to ‘trust’ Facebook (ha ha, as if! 😆) Same for Signal, WhatsApp, IRC, or anything else you bridge to.
That said, I don’t really use bridging much; for the services I tried it for it was too much hassle making the bridge work for it to be worthwhile.

listening to Egor Letov may open third eye

(#2kj5qta) @prologic@twtxt.net I’m trying to get the navigation right first, I’ll be sketching a couple more before starting on the code. #pwa

(#hw5zqkq) @~duriny@envs.net ъеъ

(#cl7vera) @mutefall@twtxt.net sorry I’m getting into the discussion, but i think searx is the best that can be

(#xmpa4da) @hecanjog@hecanjog.com -23 of celsius. :(
hope i’ll get spring weather soon too

@prologic@twtxt.net uh… how can I view all posts from account? as example from @news@twtxt.net I can see only one recent post

(#rcvjkrq) @prologic@twtxt.net comfortable*. for reading, for commenting, you know. by the way, thanks for warm welcome

— freddy, you are supposed to be on lockdown!
— Vanessa, megalovania sounds

(#ooxps7q) @darch@twtxt.net That’s my approach, yep 👍 – but I can also see @prologic@twtxt.net’s argument that Matrix is over-engineered and current servers are resource hogs and (arguably) hard to get set up…

No time to code yet but started playing around.

(#rcvjkrq) @prologic@twtxt.net thank you! I hope this place will be comfy for my future posts and readers

(#cl7vera) fact

hello world

(#ooxps7q) @prologic@twtxt.net I mean, sure, so long as it’s fully e2ee and private (Yarn and feeds in general tend to be public…) 😄

(#qqfi5za) @prologic@twtxt.net oh it looks quite different on Android 😆

(#5pe3caq) @prologic@twtxt.net for real. Sounds like the whole meeting should have just consisted of them sharing that one piece of information, instead of buying it in vaguely reassuring filler text on a screen.

(#4uape5q) @prologic@twtxt.net this is what it should look like (in Element / SchidliChat)

(#qqfi5za) @prologic@twtxt.net what’s that client? I don’t recognise it

(#4uape5q) @prologic@twtxt.net I think that’s approximately what happens behind the scenes, it shouldn’t be visible on that easy to the end user, so I guess something else is going wrong… (or bad UI in the client you’re using?) 🤔

(#4n4ppya) @prologic@twtxt.net I’m curious about this. Surely the implication of a twtxt file being self-hosted (unless you’re using someone else’s pod…) is that I control its content; I can delete/edit what I want. Sure, someone else might have saved/cached it, but the same would apply to any web page: if it’s on my server, I can delete the canonical version. Doesn’t mean every trace is immediately/permanently gone from the web, but any remaining cached versions are just outdated cache artifacts. Am I wrong?

(#hoydxeq) @prologic@twtxt.net that’s definitely a feature I’d be interested in. Bookmarking to read the RFC later!

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echoing doesn’t work with pipe

trying through yarnc

@test_feed@twtxt.net posting as test_feed

(#i6mikka) @carsten@yarn.zn80.net sometimes I seriously wonder whether the cons of the Internet outweigh the pros 😣

(#t47rjwa) @movq@www.uninformativ.de that’s exactly what it means 👍
As for clients, I prefer SchildiChat myself, it’s an Element fork with a few improvements. I find FluffyChat too basic, but then I never liked WhatsApp either, which I guess it what it’s trying to imitate UI-wise.

(#5pe3caq) Fascinating reading: Death by PowerPoint: the slide that killed seven people (Columbia Shuttle)

(#rm3puaa) @prologic@twtxt.net Oh for sure. I just would prefer if the twtxt file could be consumed raw inasmuch as possible; that seems to me to be one of the main points of a raw text-based format vs something more structured. But as you say, this doesn’t really break that. As I say, a clever workaround to an annoying flaw in the original spec. 😉

(#pv7ouaq) @caesar@twtxt.net Yeah, I’ll probably be making some kind of toy project in Go to test it out and see how it fit me when empty handed. 😏

(#rm3puaa) @prologic@twtxt.net Ah cheers. Pity the original spec doesn’t allow real newlines, maybe with indentation or escaping a-la-Markdown to indicate continuation lines… but using \u2028 is a clever solution to working around that limitation.

(#pv7ouaq) @prologic@twtxt.net I love most of the modern Javascript syntax, including arrow functions (this doesn’t include JSX, which is not Javascript and I hate it 🙈) but I do agree that terseness can go too far to the point of getting in the way of readability – definitely an issue with Python IMO. Honestly the only good thing about Python in my opinion is the ecosystem, particularly for data science.
I do like Go from my very limited experience with it; I will definitely be using it more.

(#pv7ouaq) @prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, I was planning to try it myself in the future, there’s seems to be lot of other Python developers that made the switch for the same reason.

I prefer working on the frontend the most, but I’ll surely get my hands on it sooner or later. 😎

@prologic@twtxt.net how do newlines in twts work? I see they don’t show up in the raw twtxt.txt (in my browser at least). The twtxt spec seems (?) to forbid actual newlines, so I’m guessing you are using some sort of workaround specific to Yarn?

(#35kn2ia) @prologic@twtxt.net Huh, supply chain problems, who’d’a thunk it 😆😫 Definitely not going to get better in the short (medium?🤔) term…

(#35kn2ia) @mckinley@twtxt.net I was lucky in a way: I was homeshooled and my studies were very much self-directed. My parents encouraged my interest in tech though they are complete muggles themselves and couldn’t teach me anything about it, so I was entirely self-taught – like many geeks, it seems. As for schools, I do think the situation is improving, at least from what I’ve heard from friends with school-age kids. @prologic@twtxt.net’s experience is reassuring. I’m sure it varies hugely from area to area though; it definitely needs to be a part of national curricula.

(#35kn2ia) @prologic@twtxt.net

you’ll love what my company is trying to do here

I’m intrigued… look forward to hearing more!

(#pv7ouaq) @prologic@twtxt.net No problem! 👍

I can understand your reasoning and i know the pure syntax is not the only part involved when developing in general.

I guess when a programming language changes a lot it’s much harder to adapt and break habits.

Having a clear idea of what you expect from your code and language is a lifesaver when working with many people, ever more in open source projects like yarn.

Keep it up! 💪😎

(#knoga2q) @ullarah@txt.quisquiliae.com Ugh, please no! 😫 As a user I hate those interstitial pages, because they add an unwanted step between me and the page I’m trying to get to, and they obscure the real target of the link (also they’re often used for user tracking). And as a web geek I hate the fact that they break the semantic model of a link pointing to its real target, turning external links into faux internal ones.

(#m7o5dpa) @ullarah@txt.quisquiliae.com I’ll try! ✌️