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I was thinking back to CD players. Switching tracks took a moment, although I donāt know anymore how long exactly. IIRC, playing CDs on a computer was a bit slower than in a dedicated player.
Donāt worry, switching to the next OGG file on my disk is basically instant. š
(#g6v4kxq) @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org But stuff is still āmostly usableā, isnāt it? Itās not like it became impossible to write a letter because everything has gotten so slow.
Thatās what I meant by āabsoluteā performance: A human being tolerates a system boot up time of 0.5-2 minutes, for example, so thereās an absolute/fixed duration that any task is allowed to take. Boot: 0.5-2 minutes. Opening Word: 1-10 seconds. Saving an image file: 1-10 seconds. Time until the next song starts to play when you click ānext trackā: 0-5 seconds. Stuff like that. As long as we donāt exceed those durations, people will be more or less happy.
(#g6v4kxq) @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org I guess itās all about āabsoluteā performance. Everything is just fast enough for you to get stuff done ā no matter the underlying machine. LibreOffice today on my modern machine takes the same time to start up as StarOffice (its ancestor) on my retro machine. And working with it feels the same, everything is just as fast (or slow).
Browsing the web today feels similar to 25 years ago. Even all this wobbling that my link above demonstrates already existed back then (in a way), but it was caused by images loading so slowly. Then, for a brief moment, some browser (I donāt remember which one) had this brilliant feature of trying to keep the current scrolling position stable while the page was still loading. That was great. š This feature then got lost again, probably because itās too hard to do with JavaScript changing the DOM all the time. So now weāre back to the way it was before.
Corporations should give devs the slowest and oldest machines that they have. š Not only would this be more sustainable, it would also force them to optimize better.
(#haiwbdq) @prologic@twtxt.net Most of the things that cause my frustration are things that I canāt change or even avoid. Thereās little benefit in complaining about it, I think. š¤
Iām putting all efforts to switch to Wayland on hold for another 2 years, minimum.
As we all know, writing a Wayland compositor from scratch is next to impossible. Luckily, thereās the wlroots project which aims to build a base library for this task. Basically every compositor except for GNOME and KDE uses it. (This is good! The less fragmentation, the better.)
wlroots is still very volatile, lots of changes with every release. Downstream users (i.e., the projects that write the actual compositor) have to constantly āchaseā changes in wlroots. dwl, my favorite compositor at the moment, has recently switched their main branch to target the wlroots git version instead of the latest release. My understanding is that they have to do this in order to keep up with wlroots (maybe Iām wrong).
Everything is volatile and a moving target.
Why does any of this matter for me? Because I have to eventually fork dwl or at least keep a patch set, and I donāt have the stamina to constantly fiddle with this stuff. Iām running my own X11 window manager, itās highly specialized, and using just āsome Wayland compositor out thereā is a huge step backward that Iām not willing to take. I tried, itās just painful and annoying with zero benefits.
So ā¦ it was fun experimenting with Wayland a bit, but Iām now back to waiting for things to settle down considerably.
(#lu7gjvq) @prologic@twtxt.net@lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Itās better this way. š I donāt like all this negativity in tech. We tend to focus on bad aspects too much, imho. Then again, itās really easy to focus on bad stuff, simply because thereās so much of it. š
Today is one of those days where Iām really grumpy and have typed out lots and lots of rants. Luckily, I all deleted them in the end instead of sending them. š
(#bl7a36a) @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Oh, ok, somehow I thought this was not your thing. š Maybe I was misled by you calling them āAcca Daccaā, which felt somewhat derogative. But I just found @mckinley@mckinley.ccās twt gaapgna from a while ago ā so this is just normal Aussie slang for AC/DC?! š¤Æš„“
I run it in a Work profile on my GrapheneOS phone that I can switch off at any time
Hmmmmmmm, I like that idea. If I could ban WhatsApp into a second profile and only switch it on every now and then, I would feel a little bit better about it.
(I donāt really trust Android, though, and I suspect that apps can still install background services that are always active. Pure speculation and paranoid on my part, but still.)
@aelaraji@aelaraji.com To be honest, I donāt like Matrix that much myself. We donāt use any of the fancy crypto features and all that, no federation either. And clients like āFluffyChatā look and feel pretty much like any other chat client. Itās a rather simple setup. Problem is just that itās not WhatsApp and people want WhatsApp, nothing else. š«¤ (Hence I have little hope that Signal would be a big success.)
(#ttjvaya) @prologic@twtxt.net Everythingās on fire. Weāre going to be complaining for a couple of days, then weāll continue as usual, repeating the same mistakes. Nothing to see, carry on. š«¤š„“
This is driving me nuts. Everybody thinks that ādevelopment has to be kept alive!ā When people see a project without commits in the last 2 years, they think itās dead and not worth using. Bah, why? Software can be ādoneā. If no bugs are known, then thereās no need to change anything.
All these ideas are old. Iāve heard about much of this from meillo some 15 years ago and he didnāt come up with it, either.
Itās all super unpopular. Why? Many of my projects see a burst of commits in the beginning and then mostly just maintenance ā and thatās great. It saves me from so much trouble and work. For example, my X11 wallpaper setter was written in 2017, Iām using it daily all the time, it just works, boom, done.
A project isnāt dead if it doesnāt see commits anymore ā itās dead if nobody maintains it anymore.
(#smnew7a) @mckinley@twtxt.net Last time I tried jabber was probably 10 years ago. Howās group chat these days? Is it comparable to āmodernā chat systems, does it feel the same?
I guess itās irrelevant which platform Iām going to propose as an alternative to WhatsApp. Itās the same old problem: Almost all their contacts are on WhatsApp, so thatās what they want to use, end of story.
Regarding complexity budget, slow software, all that:
Very few people do take pride in building simple, elegant, high-quality systems, do they? Why is that? Why are huge shiny things with tons of features more attractive? š¤
I never explicitly thought about this, to be honest. It was only at the back of my head. And I never tried to teach our younger āstudentsā at work: āHey, itās a great achievement to build something simple and elegant. Thatās something to be proud of!ā
Worse, simple software is often described as āboringā. Yes, in a way, it is boring, because your brain doesnāt have to get into overdrive to understand it. But thatās exactly the point. And itās hard to achieve that! Simple software isnāt just āfewer lines of codeā, you have to be pretty clever to solve a problem in a simple and elegant way. So itās something to be proud of.
Could this be an intuitive, emotional way to get more people on board the āsimple softwareā-train? š¤
(#smnew7a) @lyse@lyse.isobeef.org Yeah, itās hard(er) with family members. I shouldnāt have started that Matrix stuff ā before that, they had an easier time accepting that I donāt use WhatsApp. Now itās more like āwhy donāt you switch?ā