(#4n4ppya) @prologic@twtxt.net Iām curious about this. Surely the implication of a twtxt file being self-hosted (unless youāre using someone elseās podā¦) is that I control its content; I can delete/edit what I want. Sure, someone else might have saved/cached it, but the same would apply to any web page: if itās on my server, I can delete the canonical version. Doesnāt mean every trace is immediately/permanently gone from the web, but any remaining cached versions are just outdated cache artifacts. Am I wrong?
(#t47rjwa) @movq@www.uninformativ.de thatās exactly what it means š
As for clients, I prefer SchildiChat myself, itās an Element fork with a few improvements. I find FluffyChat too basic, but then I never liked WhatsApp either, which I guess it what itās trying to imitate UI-wise.
(#rm3puaa) @prologic@twtxt.net Oh for sure. I just would prefer if the twtxt file could be consumed raw inasmuch as possible; that seems to me to be one of the main points of a raw text-based format vs something more structured. But as you say, this doesnāt really break that. As I say, a clever workaround to an annoying flaw in the original spec. š
(#pv7ouaq) @caesar@twtxt.net Yeah, Iāll probably be making some kind of toy project in Go to test it out and see how it fit me when empty handed. š
(#rm3puaa) @prologic@twtxt.net Ah cheers. Pity the original spec doesnāt allow real newlines, maybe with indentation or escaping a-la-Markdown to indicate continuation linesā¦ but using \u2028 is a clever solution to working around that limitation.
(#pv7ouaq) @prologic@twtxt.net I love most of the modern Javascript syntax, including arrow functions (this doesnāt include JSX, which is not Javascript and I hate it š) but I do agree that terseness can go too far to the point of getting in the way of readability ā definitely an issue with Python IMO. Honestly the only good thing about Python in my opinion is the ecosystem, particularly for data science.
I do like Go from my very limited experience with it; I will definitely be using it more.
(#pv7ouaq) @prologic@twtxt.net Yeah, I was planning to try it myself in the future, thereās seems to be lot of other Python developers that made the switch for the same reason.
I prefer working on the frontend the most, but Iāll surely get my hands on it sooner or later. š
@prologic@twtxt.net how do newlines in twts work? I see they donāt show up in the raw twtxt.txt (in my browser at least). The twtxt spec seems (?) to forbid actual newlines, so Iām guessing you are using some sort of workaround specific to Yarn?
(#35kn2ia) @prologic@twtxt.net Huh, supply chain problems, whoādāa thunk it šš« Definitely not going to get better in the short (medium?š¤) termā¦
(#35kn2ia) @mckinley@twtxt.net I was lucky in a way: I was homeshooled and my studies were very much self-directed. My parents encouraged my interest in tech though they are complete muggles themselves and couldnāt teach me anything about it, so I was entirely self-taught ā like many geeks, it seems. As for schools, I do think the situation is improving, at least from what Iāve heard from friends with school-age kids. @prologic@twtxt.netās experience is reassuring. Iām sure it varies hugely from area to area though; it definitely needs to be a part of national curricula.
I can understand your reasoning and i know the pure syntax is not the only part involved when developing in general.
I guess when a programming language changes a lot itās much harder to adapt and break habits.
Having a clear idea of what you expect from your code and language is a lifesaver when working with many people, ever more in open source projects like yarn.
(#knoga2q) @ullarah@txt.quisquiliae.com Ugh, please no! š« As a user I hate those interstitial pages, because they add an unwanted step between me and the page Iām trying to get to, and they obscure the real target of the link (also theyāre often used for user tracking). And as a web geek I hate the fact that they break the semantic model of a link pointing to its real target, turning external links into faux internal ones.
(#m7o5dpa) @prologic@twtxt.net I can agree on JSX and similar but I must say that arrow functions, classes and so on are quite nice once you get used to them.
I too ended up wanting less and less but exactly for that reason I really enjoy those new stuff the platform offers natively.
Anyway, Iāll keep your style as much as I can. š
(#7boroia) @prologic@twtxt.net I think the āworst that could happenā is āit would be semantically wrongā. I donāt think it could ever be actively harmful, since it is correctly treated as a claim, not proof of ownership of the target ā it can be used to prove ownership of the origin page, but not of the destination.
That said, I would be in favour of making it explicit (ideally in the Metadata spec) that āUser Linksā SHOULD be āconnected to the feed or authorā, not just āusuallyā. This would make the link metadata more semantically useful.
(#7boroia) @david@netbros.com Iām not sure what you mean. rel="me" is just an html attribute which makes a claim that the target of the link belongs to the same person. It doesnāt prove it; unless itās reciprocal.
While MithrilJS is a good library I find if wasted when not used with JSX, you can probably enhance the syntax by using htm for the templating if you want to keep it light or use the renderer of esbuild directly.
In my projects I usually use uhtml, itās a simple to use and blazing fast templating library, It doesnāt even use the Shadow DOM the usual JSX rely on, you should try it for your next project. š
(#knoga2q) @prologic@twtxt.net Hmm, short of āclarifyingā the spec to specifically state that links must be to the userās own sites, itās hard to think of a universal solution. I think Iād still err towards assuming that links are to the userās own pages, since I think they will be in almost all cases, but obviously thereās an argument to be made against making that assumption, tooā¦
(#35kn2ia) @prologic@twtxt.net I think in those days āeveryoneā on the internet was a geek who loved doing things themselves. Now the internet is used by literally everyone, and most of them donāt understand how it works any better than how their car works. It has to Just Work.
I guess whatās needed is for self-hosting to be one of those things that Just Works, without the average person having to know how. (In addition to educating the public better about what the internet is, of course.)
(#knoga2q) @prologic@twtxt.net Ah sorry, gotcha. š
Hmm, you make an interesting point. I would assume that most links a user would add would be to their own profiles, but maybe not all?
The Metadata spec says āA link to some other resource which is often connected to the feed or authorā.
I think my inclination would be yes, add it to all of them, but I can also see that a user could put links there that arenāt their own. š¤
I can see that youāre using the templating in the html but iām lost on how it bind with the backend.
My usual PWA setup is entirely separated from the backend.
I also worked a lot with NodeJS too and now iām working on creating a bundle-less setup that is light and easy to use and donāt need any tooling at all except for a static server and a browser.
People donāt want to run their own servers, and never will.
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On the face of it itās a generalisation, but s/People/99.99% of people/ and the statement becomes objectively true.
My opinion on decentralised communications protocols is basically: Being able to run your own instance - easily - is very, very important. But being required to run your own instance dooms the system to failure / being very niche at best. Mastodon is a great example which fails at both; itās hard to self-host and thereās no obvious canonical instance to sign up to if you donāt want to host your own.
(#knoga2q) @prologic@twtxt.net another nice example is how Mastodon showās a userās external link to their own website as āverifiedā if the target site includes a rel="me" link back to their Mastodon profile, since this āprovesā that the person has control of the linked site. I think Iāve seen other sites use it for verification in the same way.
(#knoga2q) @prologic@twtxt.net If you check out someoneās GitHub profile that has a link to that personās own website, for example youāll find rel="me" on the link.
(#knoga2q) @prologic@twtxt.netThe me value of the HTML rel attribute indicates that the linked page is the same userās profile on another site. Itās useful for identity consolidation, enabling things like RelMeAuth on the IndieWeb. So it would be nice to be able to have that attribute on links to oneās own website (and to oneās profiles on other sites) from the āUser Linksā section of our profiles here.
(#t47rjwa) @prologic@twtxt.net Maybe itās harder to get Dendrite working properly (itās pre-release software after all I guess) but I never had any issue with Synapse, I had it up and running in ~15 minutes. The issue I did have was that itās a resource hog (mainly because of backfilling large federated rooms) but a few tweaks to caching settings improved that and Iāve been running for over a year with no issues at all.
I do agree it seems over-engineered in many ways, I must say. But overall Iāve been really happy with it and itās now one of my primary communication platforms.
(#7etv6uq) @prologic@twtxt.net Hmm I donāt recall any trouble getting federation working (with Synapse), what issue are you having? The federation tester is failing on your domain for me; itās getting a timeout:
Get "https://104.21.85.152:8448/_matrix/key/v2/server": context deadline exceeded
(#7etv6uq) @prologic@twtxt.net I am on Matrix, @caesar:schinas.net.
Iām running Synapse; Iād be very interested to hear your experience with Dendrite as Iāve been considering switching over as soon as push notifications make it to a published release.
(#mcoz7za) @screem@yarn.yarnpods.com Wow haha Iād never thought of Android as having much in the way of customisation options ā though I guess some vendors add a lot of that sort of stuff. Iām not one to customise my operating systems much ā I like good clean defaults and I donāt really like to change them. I love macOS because I feel it hits the sweet spot there, but I loathe iOS because itās just too locked down. I donāt care for UI customisation, but how can you forbid me to install my own choice of web browser FFS. Or anything else not blessed by the gods at Apple.
Decentralisation starts with decentering yourself.
šÆ Great quote. Thereās a chicken and egg problem, and those of us who understand the problem and are happy to be early adopters need to be the ones pushing forward hatching more and more eggs until that chicken appears (umm ok idk if that analogy makes sense but you get my drift š)
decentralised and distributed (we likely are here now)
Nah. Unless by we you mean us here on Yarn. But as a society, I reckon weāre at least one or two steps before that ā Iād go with your ānetizens asking why?ā at best. Much of society still hasnāt even got to that point honestly.
(#mcoz7za) I wonder how niche the market would actually be? I feel like half the people I know would love a phone that didnāt mean either selling your soul to the worldās biggest advertising company or being locked into an expensive walled garden by the worldās most profitable brand.
@prologic@twtxt.net Iām not so sure thereād be a lack of good apps, I donāt think the situation on the desktop translates well to mobile. Google is pushing flutter pretty hard for mobile and itās getting pretty good adoption, and itās inherently cross-platform - Canonical are even using it for desktop apps.